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	<title>Comments on: How David Cameron could make Britain happier</title>
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		<title>By: Livy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Livy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 09:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But if the Conservatives wanted real definition, and at the same time, to place millions of traditional Labour supporters in a quandary, how about David Cameron committing to a concrete target (there are plenty to choose from) to reduce social inequality in the UK?&quot;

...So much for that, eh? Lovely performance at Demos the other day. Apparently the researcher who&#039;s report he interpreted, or b*stardised, actually winced when he said his piece. Which included his belief that there was no need to reduce the Gini Coefficient. 

Interesting how little coverage that line got.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But if the Conservatives wanted real definition, and at the same time, to place millions of traditional Labour supporters in a quandary, how about David Cameron committing to a concrete target (there are plenty to choose from) to reduce social inequality in the UK?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230;So much for that, eh? Lovely performance at Demos the other day. Apparently the researcher who&#8217;s report he interpreted, or b*stardised, actually winced when he said his piece. Which included his belief that there was no need to reduce the Gini Coefficient. </p>
<p>Interesting how little coverage that line got.</p>
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		<title>By: Inequality and the realignment of the right &#124; Matthew Taylor's blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Inequality and the realignment of the right &#124; Matthew Taylor's blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 14:53:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] blog repeats an argument I made a couple of weeks ago, but, for once, the more I hear, the more sure I [...]</description>
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		<title>By: matthewtaylor</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 09:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks 4C. As someone who tends towards pragmatist philosophy (as well as theories of plural rationality) I tend to agree. However, my point was not that the &#039;facts&#039; on inequality necessary lead to any particular conclusions, or even that there aren&#039;t other facts to set against a measure like, for example, the Gini Coefficient, it was simply that in as much as we can define inequality in terms of income and assets and we define well-being in relation to measures such as levels of crime and mental health there appears to be a strong correlation in developed nations between relatively high inequality and relatively low well-being. There may be lots of arguments to set against this (we may choose different definitions of either inequality or well-being or say that neither thing matters) but in its own terms it is a coherent argument and not &#039;ideological drivel&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks 4C. As someone who tends towards pragmatist philosophy (as well as theories of plural rationality) I tend to agree. However, my point was not that the &#8216;facts&#8217; on inequality necessary lead to any particular conclusions, or even that there aren&#8217;t other facts to set against a measure like, for example, the Gini Coefficient, it was simply that in as much as we can define inequality in terms of income and assets and we define well-being in relation to measures such as levels of crime and mental health there appears to be a strong correlation in developed nations between relatively high inequality and relatively low well-being. There may be lots of arguments to set against this (we may choose different definitions of either inequality or well-being or say that neither thing matters) but in its own terms it is a coherent argument and not &#8216;ideological drivel&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Fourcultures</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fourcultures</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 05:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I loved Mark Demmen&#039;s comment about &#039;inequality&#039; as &#039;ideological drivel&#039; and Matthew Taylor&#039;s response: &#039;this isn&#039;t ideology it&#039;s statistics&#039;.

In elegantly few words this exchange really gets to the nub of the issue.

Each of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://fourcultures.wordpress.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Four Cultures&lt;/a&gt; of Cultural theory see the &#039;facts&#039; that suit their worldview (and their worldview is constituted, largely, by these &#039;facts&#039;). Statistics are a means of measuring what matters, but it is culture that tells us what matters, and therefore what to measure. Egalitarians, obviously, like measuring &#039;equality&#039;, the presence or absence of which is REAL - at least for them. They also like measuring global temperature changes that presage the end of civilisation as we know it.
Individualists, however, are so certain such concepts are nonsense that they don&#039;t even bother measuring them, and therefore they &lt;em&gt;don&#039;t&lt;/em&gt; exist (a bit like Iraqi casualties in the Gulf Wars). Instead it is considered essential to measure &#039;economic growth rates&#039; and &#039;personal equity&#039; (which has nothing to do with the way Egalitarianism would use the word equity). Actually, even the act of measurement is suspect. Counting money may well be part of a Hierarchical plot to tax it. For Individualists, the question of who has how much is trumped by the &#039;more significant question: who wants to know?

It is very seldom a debate about agreed &#039;facts&#039;, but rather an argument about which facts are worth counting.  Every so often, there is a temporary truce and the different sides begrudgingly agree to use common metrics - but only for as long as it suits them. Personally, I find this hard to take. For me, &lt;em&gt;average life expectancy&lt;/em&gt; is unambiguously the sine qua non of &#039;social progress&#039;. Yet I have to live in a world where plenty of people just don&#039;t see that at all. Cultural theory aids an understanding that it&#039;s not because they are blind to the facts, or, worse, stupid, or, even worse, evil - it&#039;s because people really do have genuinely differing worldviews.

Taking Cultural Theory seriously  requires a certain flexibility with regard to these &#039;statistical facts&#039; and the concepts behind them - not because they don&#039;t matter (far from it) but because they are usually, as here in the case of &#039;equality&#039;, the start of the debate rather than the clincher.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I loved Mark Demmen&#8217;s comment about &#8216;inequality&#8217; as &#8216;ideological drivel&#8217; and Matthew Taylor&#8217;s response: &#8216;this isn&#8217;t ideology it&#8217;s statistics&#8217;.</p>
<p>In elegantly few words this exchange really gets to the nub of the issue.</p>
<p>Each of the <a href="http://fourcultures.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow">Four Cultures</a> of Cultural theory see the &#8216;facts&#8217; that suit their worldview (and their worldview is constituted, largely, by these &#8216;facts&#8217;). Statistics are a means of measuring what matters, but it is culture that tells us what matters, and therefore what to measure. Egalitarians, obviously, like measuring &#8216;equality&#8217;, the presence or absence of which is REAL &#8211; at least for them. They also like measuring global temperature changes that presage the end of civilisation as we know it.<br />
Individualists, however, are so certain such concepts are nonsense that they don&#8217;t even bother measuring them, and therefore they <em>don&#8217;t</em> exist (a bit like Iraqi casualties in the Gulf Wars). Instead it is considered essential to measure &#8216;economic growth rates&#8217; and &#8216;personal equity&#8217; (which has nothing to do with the way Egalitarianism would use the word equity). Actually, even the act of measurement is suspect. Counting money may well be part of a Hierarchical plot to tax it. For Individualists, the question of who has how much is trumped by the &#8216;more significant question: who wants to know?</p>
<p>It is very seldom a debate about agreed &#8216;facts&#8217;, but rather an argument about which facts are worth counting.  Every so often, there is a temporary truce and the different sides begrudgingly agree to use common metrics &#8211; but only for as long as it suits them. Personally, I find this hard to take. For me, <em>average life expectancy</em> is unambiguously the sine qua non of &#8216;social progress&#8217;. Yet I have to live in a world where plenty of people just don&#8217;t see that at all. Cultural theory aids an understanding that it&#8217;s not because they are blind to the facts, or, worse, stupid, or, even worse, evil &#8211; it&#8217;s because people really do have genuinely differing worldviews.</p>
<p>Taking Cultural Theory seriously  requires a certain flexibility with regard to these &#8216;statistical facts&#8217; and the concepts behind them &#8211; not because they don&#8217;t matter (far from it) but because they are usually, as here in the case of &#8216;equality&#8217;, the start of the debate rather than the clincher.</p>
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		<title>By: matthewtaylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>matthewtaylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 18:28:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mark

You may disagree with the concept of relative inequality (although if you do it would be interesting to know at what date you would have liked to fix the measure of absolute poverty - 1997,1979, 1879, 1779?). As for inequality this isn&#039;t ideology it a statistics. I guess what you mean is that it is ideological to want to reduce inequality. If so I fear you are out of sympathy with the leaders of your own party, and that well-known leftie Iain Duncan Smith in particular.

Thanks for the comment

Matthew</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mark</p>
<p>You may disagree with the concept of relative inequality (although if you do it would be interesting to know at what date you would have liked to fix the measure of absolute poverty &#8211; 1997,1979, 1879, 1779?). As for inequality this isn&#8217;t ideology it a statistics. I guess what you mean is that it is ideological to want to reduce inequality. If so I fear you are out of sympathy with the leaders of your own party, and that well-known leftie Iain Duncan Smith in particular.</p>
<p>Thanks for the comment</p>
<p>Matthew</p>
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