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	<title>Comments on: Why the ATL (and The Observer) should be ashamed of themselves</title>
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		<title>By: bobbi</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 17:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>matthew
you really think £2 is a lot to pay for such a package - really???
everything you get in a newspaper like the Observer for only £2
Bet you would spend that - and more - on a mocha chocca skinny bloody latte</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>matthew<br />
you really think £2 is a lot to pay for such a package &#8211; really???<br />
everything you get in a newspaper like the Observer for only £2<br />
Bet you would spend that &#8211; and more &#8211; on a mocha chocca skinny bloody latte</p>
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		<title>By: joe</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 15:08:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not a historian, but I&#039;m wondering whether it hasn&#039;t always been a habit of the middle classes to blame society&#039;s woes on the working classes.  For example, the Great Stink, the Gin epidemic etc.

Yet when you look at the great social ills, how many of them were caused by the greedy rich?  Who was it that created conditions whereby it was acceptable for children to work down the mines, up chimneys and in the mills?  

I don&#039;t think today&#039;s generation of the underclass is any worse than any other.  The only real change is the language the chattering classes use to denigrate them in broad pointless brush strokes.  

But then, &lt;a href=&quot;http://bit.ly/lQFFr&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;when Ministers brush off calls for support for the county&#039;s most vulnerable workers&lt;/a&gt; by saying that the funds are too tight and claim that they could always use ACAS (shades of telling people to &#039;get on their bikes&#039;), we can see that ignorance abounds in the powerful Observer-reading class.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not a historian, but I&#8217;m wondering whether it hasn&#8217;t always been a habit of the middle classes to blame society&#8217;s woes on the working classes.  For example, the Great Stink, the Gin epidemic etc.</p>
<p>Yet when you look at the great social ills, how many of them were caused by the greedy rich?  Who was it that created conditions whereby it was acceptable for children to work down the mines, up chimneys and in the mills?  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think today&#8217;s generation of the underclass is any worse than any other.  The only real change is the language the chattering classes use to denigrate them in broad pointless brush strokes.  </p>
<p>But then, <a href="http://bit.ly/lQFFr" rel="nofollow">when Ministers brush off calls for support for the county&#8217;s most vulnerable workers</a> by saying that the funds are too tight and claim that they could always use ACAS (shades of telling people to &#8216;get on their bikes&#8217;), we can see that ignorance abounds in the powerful Observer-reading class.</p>
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		<title>By: matthewtaylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>matthewtaylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 12:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Michael

Fair enough - for a more nuanced view see my reply below to Adrian. Will I really never buy it again? I probably will but - to be honest - I found £2 a big psychological barrier. I&#039;m sure the paper did their market research but for me this crosses the boundary between loose change you don&#039;t notice and real expenditure which has consequences for other things. The other week in Tescos I traded my Observer against a nicer loaf (30p extra), fresher orange juice (99p extra) and tastier tomatoes (50p extra) and then ate my splendid lunch reading the on-line edition</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Michael</p>
<p>Fair enough &#8211; for a more nuanced view see my reply below to Adrian. Will I really never buy it again? I probably will but &#8211; to be honest &#8211; I found £2 a big psychological barrier. I&#8217;m sure the paper did their market research but for me this crosses the boundary between loose change you don&#8217;t notice and real expenditure which has consequences for other things. The other week in Tescos I traded my Observer against a nicer loaf (30p extra), fresher orange juice (99p extra) and tastier tomatoes (50p extra) and then ate my splendid lunch reading the on-line edition</p>
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		<title>By: matthewtaylor</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 12:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Louis.

I agree, and thanks for the links. 

In 2007 we launched &#039;The Tiger that Isn&#039;t&#039; Michael Blastland and  Andrew Dilnot. it systematically exposed the abuse of statistics by interest groups, politicians and the media. As I said at the time, it should be required reading for policy makers and journalists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Louis.</p>
<p>I agree, and thanks for the links. </p>
<p>In 2007 we launched &#8216;The Tiger that Isn&#8217;t&#8217; Michael Blastland and  Andrew Dilnot. it systematically exposed the abuse of statistics by interest groups, politicians and the media. As I said at the time, it should be required reading for policy makers and journalists.</p>
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		<title>By: matthewtaylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>matthewtaylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 12:21:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, apparerntly not.  And I see today the ATL is getting yet more headlines from an equally dodgy bit of self selecting research!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, apparerntly not.  And I see today the ATL is getting yet more headlines from an equally dodgy bit of self selecting research!</p>
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